May 06 2017

The Concrete Fence-Posts of the Long Island Motor Parkway


My favorite co-author Al Velocci and I have recently been discussing the concrete posts of the Long Island Motor Parkway. Al has provided some facts and documentation on the Motor Parkway "concrete fence posts".

Concrete Fence-Posts of the Motor Parkway

  • When the Motor Parkway was first built in 1908, cedar posts were placed along sections of the Motor Parkway's right-of-way to keep automobiles which have not paid a toll off the road.
  • During the summer of 1921, the Motor Parkway began replacing 1,000 of the cedar posts with "reinforced concrete fence-posts".
  • By 1927, another 5,000 concrete posts were received and installed throughout the 44-miles of the Motor Parkway.
  • There are still over 750 concrete posts  in place along the 44-mile Motor Parkway right-of-way.

Enjoy,

Howard Kroplick



Courtesy of the Suffolk County Vanderbilt Museum Archives

In May 1921 Whitson M. Smith received a contract to provide 1,000 reinforced concrete fence-posts at $1.40 per post.

The posts were six feet in length with three wire holes.

The posts were reinforced with two rods.

In 1926 with the extension of the Motor Parkway to Horace Harding Boulevard,  an order of 5,000 concrete fence posts wer built by Wallace M. Hendrick for $1.50 per posts. Note: The contract was approved by WKV (William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.).

Confirmation that Hendrick's order was completed.


Original Cedar Posts of the Motor Parkway

Sam Berliner III and Al Velocci with original cedar posts in the Battle Row Campgrounds in Old Bethpage.

Cedar posts at the Massapequa Lodge in Plainedge.


Concrete Fence-Posts of the Motor Parkway

Over 100 years later, these concrete fence-posts still have three sets of original twisted wire.


Queens

At the end of the Current Brooklyn-Queens Greenway path near Winchester Boulevard.


Mineola

West of Old Country Road at the location of the Motor Parkway highway bridge.


Garden City

Steve Lucas and Mike Cain near Clinton Road.

Greg O. gets a closer look.

More posts at the original location of the Garden City Lodge.


East Meadow

Remnants of concrete fence-posts on Salisbury Park Drive in East Meadow in the 1940s.


Bethpage

Posts in front of Ellen Foran's Halfway House Tea Room in Bethpage.

Posts still remain at the location. Courtesy of Art Kleiner.


Colonial Springs

Art Kleiner and his friends found "concrete" in Colonial Springs.



Comments

May 07 2017 Richard Sloan 10:21 AM

There’s a concrete post in the backyard of a house just southwest of the corner of Blacksmith Road and Crocus Lane That’s in the front of the development that caused some sort of controversy when it was in the planning stage. ( It’s just around the corner from where the tennis court was at the L.I. Country Club Airport.)  The post used to be more visible, standing close to a fence,  but another fence has been added within the last few months, now making it harder to find.

May 07 2017 Brian D McCarthy 3:53 PM

Being that most cedar trees are naturally resistant to decay and insects, that’s probably why this type of wood was used as the original boundary posts. The older linemen I used to work along with said that LILCO originally purchased wood poles made from cedar for that exact reason. Wood poles today are basically made from common pine trees, and saturated with preservatives. Still looking for that house with the concrete posts, thanks for the extra hints.

May 07 2017 S. Berliner, III 10:36 PM

Thanks for the post post.  For post-post-post references (old ones), may I refer you to:
1.  http://sbiii.com/limpkwy0.html#limposts,
2.  http://sbiii.com/limpwnas.html#nhpposts, and (especially)
3.  http://sbiii.com/limposts.html.
Put those in your post and wire (or slat) them!
[Give me a little time to correct #1 (cedar vs. locust)  and to restore #2, please.]
Sam, III

May 07 2017 S. Berliner, III 11:55 PM

Follow-up (post script?).  Both old pages noted are now updated/converted and available, with the addition of <http://sbiii.com/limpwnas.html#searposts> to the latter.  Lente, lente, curritu noctis equii.  Per ardua ad astra.  Sam, III

May 08 2017 James Spina 8:52 AM

for years it has been a near mantra of sorts for me and my son Gram: “There’s another post!”

May 08 2017 Dave Russo 12:59 PM

Where did the 750 posts remaining figure come from? I’m curious. Did someone actually count them? This has Art written all over it.

LIMP trivia: what Nassau county town has the most remaining posts? In my mind Queens by far has the most remaining posts but I’m curious if anyone actually knows the answer to this. Are there any stats on remaining posts? Where they are and how many etc?
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Howard Kroplick

Dave, my best guess estimate. Time for a Sammy & Dave concrete fence-post survey!

May 08 2017 Mike Cain 5:21 PM

I find these posts to be one of the most interesting remnants of the Motor Parkway. The fact that so many survive intact today is remarkable. A few of them we saw at Clinton Road looked like they were brand new and installed last week!

May 09 2017 Janet 10:04 AM

Those posts off Clinton across from the main headquarters are my favorite also

May 09 2017 frank femenias 5:56 PM

Great post info Sam III. Thanks for the links.

May 10 2017 Dave Russo 12:06 PM

I’ll pass on the post count offer Howard! Lol. You’re the retired one! You go do it!!

My guess is 750 is a bit high. I would wager we are in the 400-500 range.

I think in Nassau Garden City has the most remaining posts.

We do love finding the unknown posts. We’ve found a few I’m sure nobody knows about! There also are many of them lying in the weeds in various locations.

May 10 2017 Brian D McCarthy 5:00 PM

Sam III….I havn’t viewed your railroad website for some time now. Throughout my travels near LIRR ROW’s I have witnessed concrete posts that are similar to the LIMP posts. It’s obvious that the posts along the tracks were acting as old type fencing or boundary markers, likely before electrification. They have good size holes that would accommodate a rigid wire, etc. Exciting stuff, right. LOL

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